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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.followsteph.com/2006/11/14/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-1766</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 16:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless as Steph mentioned its for untraining filters, I can&#039;t understand why I get so many spams that are either blank or just totally random garbage.  Absolutely no purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless as Steph mentioned its for untraining filters, I can&#8217;t understand why I get so many spams that are either blank or just totally random garbage.  Absolutely no purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
		<link>http://www.followsteph.com/2006/11/14/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-1736</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

It&#039;s possible. I&#039;ve also been noticing a trend these days where many of the spams emails contain nothing but random texts (for example extracts from books, etc.). I&#039;m guessing this is to un-train some of the Bayesian filters out there. Who knows...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible. I&#8217;ve also been noticing a trend these days where many of the spams emails contain nothing but random texts (for example extracts from books, etc.). I&#8217;m guessing this is to un-train some of the Bayesian filters out there. Who knows&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
		<link>http://www.followsteph.com/2006/11/14/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-1735</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

1. Yes, that&#039;s a great thing! I couldn&#039;t agree more.

2. Nothing. I was just trying to point out that it wouldn&#039;t really solve my problem... I&#039;d still be stuck going through all the junk folder anyways :)

3. You&#039;re right, I apologize. I could have sworn I read something to the effect that Google can use the information within your email for search purposes, etc. when it initially started... Either way, it&#039;s no longer there, so you&#039;re absolutely right!

4. Exactly. But if my ISV goes bust than I probably don&#039;t need to receive my emails either from that domain ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>1. Yes, that&#8217;s a great thing! I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>2. Nothing. I was just trying to point out that it wouldn&#8217;t really solve my problem&#8230; I&#8217;d still be stuck going through all the junk folder anyways <img src='http://www.followsteph.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>3. You&#8217;re right, I apologize. I could have sworn I read something to the effect that Google can use the information within your email for search purposes, etc. when it initially started&#8230; Either way, it&#8217;s no longer there, so you&#8217;re absolutely right!</p>
<p>4. Exactly. But if my ISV goes bust than I probably don&#8217;t need to receive my emails either from that domain <img src='http://www.followsteph.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
		<link>http://www.followsteph.com/2006/11/14/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-1734</link>
		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi bhousel,

You know what I find most interesting about your comment? You&#039;re a perfect example of just big this issue is, and how there&#039;s no perfect solution. Everyone has different solutions depending on how big their problem is, but there is not one ideal solution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi bhousel,</p>
<p>You know what I find most interesting about your comment? You&#8217;re a perfect example of just big this issue is, and how there&#8217;s no perfect solution. Everyone has different solutions depending on how big their problem is, but there is not one ideal solution!</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rob,

I suspect you may be right when you consider the usage of bots that&#039;s already becoming more and more prevalent... Perhaps we need to look at a better protocol, where you can&#039;t spoof an email address... At least this way it would make spam filters a lot more accurate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rob,</p>
<p>I suspect you may be right when you consider the usage of bots that&#8217;s already becoming more and more prevalent&#8230; Perhaps we need to look at a better protocol, where you can&#8217;t spoof an email address&#8230; At least this way it would make spam filters a lot more accurate</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hinton</title>
		<link>http://www.followsteph.com/2006/11/14/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Hinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably the spammer wasn&#039;t expecting so many e-mails to get through your spam filter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably the spammer wasn&#8217;t expecting so many e-mails to get through your spam filter.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Crowther</title>
		<link>http://www.followsteph.com/2006/11/14/what-are-they-thinking/comment-page-1/#comment-1716</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Crowther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; If you look at the agreement when you sign up, they have the right to parse your data and use it…

At least they have a policy which states explicitly what they can do with your data when it&#039;s on your server.  Most mail service providers (ie. SMTP and POP that comes with hosting accounts) don&#039;t offer any such restrictions.

&gt; So it’s important that I manually scan all the spam emails for false positives.

What would be stopping you doing this in GMail?

&gt; However when it comes to confidentiality one thing you need to realize is that Google owns the data, not you

This is simply not true at all:

&quot;Google does not claim any ownership in any of the content, including any text, data, information, images, photographs, music, sound, video, or other material, that you upload, transmit or store in your Gmail account. We will not use any of your content for any purpose except to provide you with the Service.&quot;

This is from section nine of http://www.google.com/mail/help/terms_of_use.html

&gt; As well, remember that it is a free service. There’s nothing to prevent them from discontinuing their Gmail offering.

There&#039;s nothing to prevent your ISP going bust either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; If you look at the agreement when you sign up, they have the right to parse your data and use it…</p>
<p>At least they have a policy which states explicitly what they can do with your data when it&#8217;s on your server.  Most mail service providers (ie. SMTP and POP that comes with hosting accounts) don&#8217;t offer any such restrictions.</p>
<p>&gt; So it’s important that I manually scan all the spam emails for false positives.</p>
<p>What would be stopping you doing this in GMail?</p>
<p>&gt; However when it comes to confidentiality one thing you need to realize is that Google owns the data, not you</p>
<p>This is simply not true at all:</p>
<p>&#8220;Google does not claim any ownership in any of the content, including any text, data, information, images, photographs, music, sound, video, or other material, that you upload, transmit or store in your Gmail account. We will not use any of your content for any purpose except to provide you with the Service.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is from section nine of <a href="http://www.google.com/mail/help/terms_of_use.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/mail/help/terms_of_use.html</a></p>
<p>&gt; As well, remember that it is a free service. There’s nothing to prevent them from discontinuing their Gmail offering.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing to prevent your ISP going bust either.</p>
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		<title>By: bhousel</title>
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		<dc:creator>bhousel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 12:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I run a postfix mail server and these 3 things stopped almost all my incoming spam:

1. installed &quot;postgrey&quot; -  It uses greylisting, meaning that when another server tries to deliver mail, my mail server will respond with &quot;try again later&quot;.  Real mail servers will attempt redelivery but spammers never bother. 

2. tightened up the rules for header_checks and body_checks - Things like eliminating mail from places like .kr, .ru, or mail that has obvious virus signatures.

3. turned on smtpd_helo_required, and smtpd_helo_restrictions - proper mail servers always send a real address with the HELO command, and spammers almost always send garbage (or the name of your server).  It&#039;s an easy place to reject mail.

I never even bothered to install spamassassin, or any kind of filtering.  These steps worked for me.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I run a postfix mail server and these 3 things stopped almost all my incoming spam:</p>
<p>1. installed &#8220;postgrey&#8221; &#8211;  It uses greylisting, meaning that when another server tries to deliver mail, my mail server will respond with &#8220;try again later&#8221;.  Real mail servers will attempt redelivery but spammers never bother. </p>
<p>2. tightened up the rules for header_checks and body_checks &#8211; Things like eliminating mail from places like .kr, .ru, or mail that has obvious virus signatures.</p>
<p>3. turned on smtpd_helo_required, and smtpd_helo_restrictions &#8211; proper mail servers always send a real address with the HELO command, and spammers almost always send garbage (or the name of your server).  It&#8217;s an easy place to reject mail.</p>
<p>I never even bothered to install spamassassin, or any kind of filtering.  These steps worked for me.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A toll on emails wouldn&#039;t work... Spammers are moving to botnets, so it wouldn&#039;t be the spammers picking up the tab for sending spam, it&#039;d be the people infected with their malware...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A toll on emails wouldn&#8217;t work&#8230; Spammers are moving to botnets, so it wouldn&#8217;t be the spammers picking up the tab for sending spam, it&#8217;d be the people infected with their malware&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carmen,

Yes, that&#039;s an option. However when it comes to confidentiality one thing you need to realize is that Google owns the data, not you. This means that they can legally parse your data, analyze it, etc. As a smaller software vendor, even though it&#039;s unlikely they will use it, it&#039;s still not a risk I&#039;m willing to take.

As well, remember that it is a free service. There&#039;s nothing to prevent them from discontinuing their Gmail offering. Again, it&#039;s not likely to happen, but it&#039;s not worth the risk.

And yes, it&#039;s an unfortunately large amount of spam. Combine my personal spam with the amounts of spam we get for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.landlordmax.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LandlordMax&lt;/a&gt; through technical support and it quickly adds up!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carmen,</p>
<p>Yes, that&#8217;s an option. However when it comes to confidentiality one thing you need to realize is that Google owns the data, not you. This means that they can legally parse your data, analyze it, etc. As a smaller software vendor, even though it&#8217;s unlikely they will use it, it&#8217;s still not a risk I&#8217;m willing to take.</p>
<p>As well, remember that it is a free service. There&#8217;s nothing to prevent them from discontinuing their Gmail offering. Again, it&#8217;s not likely to happen, but it&#8217;s not worth the risk.</p>
<p>And yes, it&#8217;s an unfortunately large amount of spam. Combine my personal spam with the amounts of spam we get for <a href="http://www.landlordmax.com" rel="nofollow">LandlordMax</a> through technical support and it quickly adds up!!!</p>
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